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zontobraz
|  Posted: 2010-07-24 08:44:33 (#1)
Game from my new rep-pack #50.
F*cking epic NE mirror with mass fights, high-heroes, ultimates, close momments ("red DH" 4ever :)) and interesting hero choice by one player. + some (yes yes ) micro mistakes etc, but it was rly EPIC. Next candidate for RotW? What do you think?
Enjoy, guys. :)
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Meeds
| Posted: 2010-07-24 12:14:43 (#2)
Thanks also to UA_Fanya_Respect who upload this replay as top too !
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TrySomethingEIse
| Posted: 2010-07-24 12:50:53 (#3)
Just watched it through. Now this is what makes Wc3 stands out in the crowd of games. Epicness like this just cant be achieved among RTS games all around the world. Top class, right here. 10/10
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dernettemann
| Posted: 2010-07-24 13:08:28 (#4)
sc2 will also be awesome! watched tlo vs tester king of the beate game 2?
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btt: description sounds interesting! ^^
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weakskill
| Posted: 2010-07-24 13:13:32 (#5)
naga ftw!
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zontobraz
| Posted: 2010-07-24 13:23:37 (#6)
#4
wc3 more dynamic, unpredictable, with element of randomness/luck etc. than sc2. That`s why we love this game. :)
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Towlie
| Posted: 2010-07-24 13:40:08 (#7)
nice game. lots of close moments. 9/10
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weakskill
| Posted: 2010-07-24 13:43:53 (#8)
#6 well said
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slicky342
| Posted: 2010-07-24 13:55:19 (#9)
The only thing funny about this game was how many times greatwhitehope blew it. The strategy was interesting, but he just microed so bad the whole game. He never hid his hunts when his opponent didn't have dust. He lost his first expand because he was too lazy to use the wisps in the mine to repair it until he got there. He lost his naga with an invuln pot during one of his pushes when he almost guaranteed would've won. He lost his naga later with a tp at mid to a lone DH. Towards the end he lost his naga at his expansion because he was too busy running her instead of attacking the DH when the DH got away with 20-30 hp.
If this was rotw I would probably rate it an 8/10 or so, but this game is not top. The micro was awful and there were too many mistakes.
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HumanPwns
| Posted: 2010-07-24 13:58:20 (#10)
27.7 !!!! SC2
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PuSh
| Posted: 2010-07-24 14:15:57 (#11)
#4 should be banned for making advertisement for sc2 on a wc3 page... if i could i would slap your face little tard -.-
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Brum
| Posted: 2010-07-24 14:28:05 (#12)
fun game to watch
the only mistake that was annoying - naga not using pot of invul in the fight at the opponent base :)
rest mistakes are just nuisance in such fun game.
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uHuuuL
| Posted: 2010-07-24 14:32:34 (#13)
naga first made me love it... 8/10
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Klive
| Posted: 2010-07-24 14:37:50 (#14)
entertaining game ...
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diabolorc
| Posted: 2010-07-24 14:43:33 (#15)
I totally agree with #9, greatwhitehope messed up so many times it wasn't even funny. I don't see how can call this a top game when players make mistakes like that.
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DraGoN_Cut
| Posted: 2010-07-24 14:53:25 (#16)
thanx at zontic =)
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YinYang2010
| Posted: 2010-07-24 15:01:46 (#17)
WC 4 EVA !!
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weaknezz
| Posted: 2010-07-24 15:31:39 (#18)
#11 inet pseudo gangsters 4tw!
naga 1st pick wUUt? entertaining game 9/10
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NuT
| Posted: 2010-07-24 16:32:47 (#19)
:S This would be top if the other player won so not top and nothing special so many stupid actions.
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Monkfg
| Posted: 2010-07-24 16:37:19 (#20)
As I saw the naga as a first hero I was waiting to see lvl 3 mana shield pwnage... I'm deeply disappointed. I would've given 10, so I "only" give 9 points, crazy game.
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dernettemann
| Posted: 2010-07-24 16:56:48 (#21)
"wc3 more dynamic, unpredictable, with element of randomness/luck etc. than sc2. That`s why we love this game. :)"
i love wc3, too. but sc2 will fill the gap between wc3 and wc4! ^^
ps: have u seen tlo vs tester?
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awe
| Posted: 2010-07-24 17:49:18 (#22)
Ugly game and isin't worth to be TOP. the micro was off, the hero combinations were weird and uneffective plus it was too damn long. 2/10 because this replay is rated "top", if it would be a normal replay, i would rate more.
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quili
| Posted: 2010-07-24 20:55:01 (#23)
zontik quit !
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Shirija
| Posted: 2010-07-24 23:24:58 (#24)
#20 mana shield pwnage against dh?
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Dexton
| Posted: 2010-07-24 23:39:44 (#25)
Legitly played.
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TheSumm0neR
| Posted: 2010-07-25 04:39:45 (#26)
n/c when after ~34 min the naga dies without killing the superman dh with the hunts omfg
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JustSomebody
| Posted: 2010-07-25 07:24:39 (#27)
"#4
wc3 more dynamic, unpredictable, with element of randomness/luck etc. than sc2. That`s why we love this game. :)"
Just couldn't help to miss out on this comment. WC3 more dynamic and unpredictable than SC2? SC2 like Starcraft 1, where all the cards are open till the end of game. In war3, if it's not a mirror match, you know in 90% of the cases who wins after one fight. That's "unpredictable"?
And to say it like some english football player said about football: "Football is a game that is played for 90 minutes and Germany wins"
To take this kind of comment in war3: War3 is a game where the games last approximately 20 minutes and orcs win.
The scene is crowded with orcs, orcs from left and right, in top 20 of players orcs certainly have like 10 players among the best. The rest three races share what orcs leave behind. See Zotac: I think 70 cups out of 140 are orc victories, 50% of all zotacs. To count how often orc was 2nd or 3rd even if they didn't win of the rest of zotacs...gosh! Like yesterday, straight through top 3: orc orc orc.
If Blizzard had fixed war3 after 1.22 this game prolly would still be something and I could agree on your comment. But this game is too onesided these days, the scene is totally boring if you don't root for orcs and ladder is totally boring if you're not rdy to face 50% of your games vs. orcs.
And now, sc2 has at least to this point three races well-presented and playing, this fact alone should make it a better game than war3. And don't get me wrong, War3 has been, prior to 1.22, a great game! I absolutely loved it! But after 1.22 War3 has been every year a worse game - with too many orcs winning and too many players of other races stopping. Well can't blame the players who change the game, fighting all the orcs is like battling a wall that you just cannot break.
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rifleg
| Posted: 2010-07-25 08:24:41 (#28)
#27 omg you exaggerated a little bit
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YinYang2010
| Posted: 2010-07-25 09:04:37 (#29)
#27 nice :)
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kouassi
| Posted: 2010-07-25 09:09:52 (#30)
Epic miss.... Legendary Dh
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JustSomebody
| Posted: 2010-07-25 09:53:53 (#31)
rifleg i certainly didn't. Just freaking read the results you'll see it's true. I didn't miss a thing here!!
And all i said can be proved.
Also the best way to prove orc is imba to take a look at mirrors: in every mirror besides orc mirror on pro level we 've several different tactics that are played. There're so many different options to go. What we see in orc mirror every game? blade + raider + grunt + sw - that's it. SH will be picked up second, that's for sure! Trust me!
It's like 6 months when i saw a proplayer last time choose a different strategy in orc mirror. The reason for this happening IS the initial combination of orc is so damn good it's not even ideal to think out of the box. Not even in mirror. It's worthless to start thinking of counters when one combination and one hero so hard rapes the rest. Orc mirror proves my point the best: it's always two players playing 100% mirror and the strategy is the same. Sometimes only a mere little itemluck decides that for either of the players. That's it. If orc's "standard combination" was balanced and beatable orcs would in mirror try to find optional ways to overcome it. They don't do so because it's simply...well impossible.
All of orc matchups are BORING! Notice!! You hardly see anyone doing anything different. Human players are 99% of the times trying to either towerrush the orc or going fe+gryphons. Variations of these strategies, hardly ever happen. Because orc has got the counters it's pointless to try anything out of the box.
Night elf always goes mass dott vs. orc, no matter what map. It's always worth it just because of the fact that's the only strategy to cut orc. Going anything else will only set you in disadvantage.
Undead are sentenced to death vs. UD in every game even if they try the most different strategies vs. orcs. Non of these cuts orc standard well. What war3 has become?
Others doing desperate attempts to counter one strategy of one race that happens to work in all the circumstances of this game. And changing strategy doesn't mean to creep in different order, as most of orcs seem to believe.
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ruxy
| Posted: 2010-07-25 10:28:14 (#32)
dunno about the game,interesting but nothin special for top,myb more of a rotw material...dunno
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N1GG3L
| Posted: 2010-07-25 12:16:45 (#33)
woah,I'm shocked...in the end DH didn't solved as usual :(
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peteFischer
| Posted: 2010-07-25 12:51:19 (#34)
9/10 because it made me laugh :D
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PuSh
| Posted: 2010-07-25 16:12:44 (#35)
#31 what about fs + firelord? the fact pros dont use it often doesnt mean there arent other ways to play orc mirrors. and u as elf player complain about orc? :D no doubt it is a strong race but elf is atleast the same imba. orc has just the most and best progamers and i dont believe they are in the top because of their race... to me your texts just seem like a whining about some years in the ladder where u never found a way to counter orcs...but there are ways.
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quili
| Posted: 2010-07-25 16:39:45 (#36)
@justsomebody
Seems like u don't see to many Orc mirrors cous many pro's playing fs+tc, fs+fl or like grubby mass docs so there are many ways to make the game more diversified.
And and at least there is another way for every race to defeat orc, i don't think is that imba, you're just crying about the "imbalance" of orc.
just like #35 i think the pros are pros not becouse of there race, but for the skill they got from years of training and abandon for this game.
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JustSomebody
| Posted: 2010-07-25 17:53:20 (#37)
quili/push first of everything before 1.22 was released I had a winning rate of 70% vs. orcs. After 1.22 i had the winning rate of 52% vs. orc. After that it has been sinkin every year more to come. And more of everything I am an inactive player of this game, I have practically stopped playing/commenting on war3 about 4 months ago.
And even if my comments might appear like whining to you or that i just lack "the experience" or "the skill" to overcome orc, you're plain wrong. I've just watched so many stages of warcraft 3, after all I have experience from patch 1.17 to patch 1.24. That's quite a long time, saying this genuine, it's exactly 5 years and a bit over.
In all this time I've seen many stages of this game. There're so many things which non of that logic you've can explain. There are "facts" and "fictions" in war3. If we speak about orc, there're row of things that can be considered as facts:
The first question arisen: How many tournaments has orc won after 1.22?
The question is really easy to answer and really easy to prove: orc has won nearly 50% of all zotac cups. Orc has won more than 85% of major tournaments played during 2008, 2009 and 2010. I don't have to post links to prove this. You just have to google any of tournaments played in these years and you'll find out what I am saying is true.
How did orc domination begin exactly and right after the innovation of WHO to use blade in a new way? (to creep items only, to avoid fights and to just rely on hard crits for winning?) Why did orc "domination" begin right at this time? If this fact was clueless whining, the evidence to prove it wouldn't be such vast.
The next fact coming in row and to be taken into consideration are the years before orc dominance: from 2005 to 2008 orc had only secured a handful of tournaments victories. The best known orc players at the time being were Grubby, Lyn, Fly100% and Focus. Neither of them had a genuine breakthrough in that time, even if Lyn had noteable victories before 1.22 as well. How couldn't orcs perfect their gameplay in these years? How could "the so pro orc players" not be able to anchieve anything at that time? It's three years!! Why weren't orcs able to win anything?
The next question to be answered is what happened to scene at the end of 2008?
The scene started to get full of orcs from left and right. In year 2007, if you were asked who is Lucifron you wouldn't know his name. He was just one among thousands. If you were asked how many tournaments did Focus win and if he was top 5 orc you would answer he wins nothing and is not a topnotch orc.
at the end of 2008 Warcraft 3 experienced an "endless row" of semipros that all happened to play orc. A new elf, human or undead wasn't introduced to the top scene. It were only orcs. Lucifron, naamahauk1 are the first to appear in my mind. Lucifron becoming "a top 5 orc" within a timezone of a half year, guess that took less time than anyone could ever expect. Surpricingly Focus, fly100% and Who were winning all the tournaments, despite of being out of the spotlight for 3 years. A happy coincidence indeed?
The next prove and warning signal of "the initial death of progaming scene" was the endless number of pro undead players going inactive. Lucifer, Fov are the first to appear in my mind. Soon we were about to see only 1 undead in every tournament. Orc totally outpowered uds and most of the remaining undeads changed their race to what else but orc.
The final warning signal was to see how "known" orc killers such as moon, remind, sky and tod were seen fall in front of our eyes. How do you explain every single remarkable player of 2006 and 2007 had lost his best "touch" of the game to at least 4 different orc players at the end of 2008? Not all these players go out of shape stimultaneously, they just couldn't cut blademaster-powered new era of orcs.
If these proves are not enough for you of my point of view then just open your warcraft 3 and go to ladder. Play 10 games. Count how many games did you play vs. orcs in the first place. Trust me it's quite easily possible you're matched against orcs in 5/10 games. Elves are prolly presented in 4 of these games and 1 human or undead might appear.
The glory of WAR3 was sheltered by orcs and their overflow and the fact Blizzard did not act in in any way. Blizzard gave Orcs a smooth way to top by nerfing elf and human with 1.22. They didn't notice that these nerfes were extremely critical and would not benefit ud in any way. What Blizzard also missed on their nerfing was the new way of exploiting blade. A race that was selling its tp and just relying on one hero and making his capabilities unstopable.
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awe
| Posted: 2010-07-25 19:13:19 (#38)
Why on earth is this game still TOP?
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Gorgeoushoof
| Posted: 2010-07-25 19:19:37 (#39)
I just love Naga-gurrl! 10/10!
idk about orcs but im undead and i have more problems against hummies, ok im just a noob and such but thats a fact
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awe
| Posted: 2010-07-25 19:22:11 (#40)
btw,
peterra makes a valid point, but i've been arround since ROC and orc has always seem imba, from the early days of FS, but i'm not complaining, it's just the way the world (of warcraft) works..
-_-
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JustSomebody
| Posted: 2010-07-25 19:30:27 (#41)
awe complaining is worthless as we all know.
I mean I have practically complained since a patch made a fellow orc better than me.
complaining is worthless, that's right. We should just all silence but for the fact I have already moved on from WAR3 I always love the opportunity to explain to the newcomers what actually killed war3 for the most of us. I am not alone with this story, this is the game-destroying matter which has made more than dozens of active war3 pros go inactive. Orc is oneclear yet undefined reason why so many uds did leave the scene.
And it's even the story of tod, who officially quitted saying fighting orcs was useless. Well this or that - I am just pointing my finger on facts. In my view Warcraft 3 had that potential of the original starcraft itself as a game to develop to such a long story. War3 came near, it's 10 years anyway but such a factor as orc's dominance just makes the game uninteresting and not calling anymore. In the past I used to get thrilled to follow war3 scene. When the Starcraft 2 beta phase two went offline i made a short comeback to war3 once more to play some games while waiting for starcraft 2.
When I yesterday started watching a zotac I knew exactly in that minute what to wait for. I knew there would be orcs in the final. No matter how I try to put it, that's just too predictable. I used to wait days for WCG2008 to happen, I remember the excitement and the great joy the game brought to me, the interest of seeing who's gonna win. WAR3 scene was interesting for me and I loved the game for scene, I didn't even have to play the game to ENJOY it greatly.
But 2008 was the year that crushed warcraft 3 for me. It killed the scene, made it uninteresting to follow. Why? Because all you saw were orcs coming from every corner. Orcs you had not heard of were supricinly able to beat players that had a valid image of being two times better and more experienced on pro level. These orc players totally killed the scene for me. It became just impossibly easy to forecast the outcome. Whenever I saw a tournament I saw 5 top orcs attending. Knowing the matchup versus undead, knowing that each human would struggle to stand against elf i knew a final would take place between an elf and orc nearly every time. Sometimes it was even predictable to say that they were all orcs on top three. That made the scene interesting for orcs and the players who shouted the name of grubby but it made the game painful for everyone cheering for anything but orc.
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Gorgeoushoof
| Posted: 2010-07-25 19:43:37 (#42)
ummm... how does orc fit in this replay?
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pollsmal
| Posted: 2010-07-25 20:32:49 (#43)
#31 completly true !
#35 haha pwnd
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Flex-
| Posted: 2010-07-26 10:04:01 (#44)
Justsomebody, to much time on your hands ? :)
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awe
| Posted: 2010-07-26 14:19:39 (#45)
Peterra,
if a playermade patch (or a group of players) could be possible, we could have all sort's of new things added to the game. i still don't think that it would be unpossible, alot of old games have become widly more popular due to playermade patch "fixes".
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JustSomebody
| Posted: 2010-07-26 15:16:04 (#46)
Flex- yes!
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master_nub
| Posted: 2010-07-27 09:59:42 (#47)
What a newb game, untop right now 3/10, awful micro, no fucking brain from both sides
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kouassi
| Posted: 2010-07-27 19:03:25 (#48)
peterra lol
Orc hasnt been change in 1.22, in any point..
The only thing which changed is the imba speed repair on human peons..
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Meeds
| Posted: 2010-07-27 22:09:09 (#49)
#47 : please check your nickname. I won't add anything :/
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Clan_nC
| Posted: 2010-07-28 11:46:02 (#50)
34:30..
I yelled ''OOOOOH COME OOOONNNNNNNNNNN'', then altqq'd
That was absolutely depressing :|
Anyway I don't know who won and didn't see the last part, so I won't rate. Until 34th min the game was quite good actually, #47 is just a trollie.
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master_nub
| Posted: 2010-07-30 21:23:04 (#51)
actually no i appreciate good games, but this doesnt quite fucking fit with my tastes cause its simply bad ...
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