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tbljesus
|  Posted: 2011-12-15 13:22:56
cool game..but a bit onesided towards the end
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saftkanne
| Posted: 2011-12-15 13:28:10
can cheating from sonik be anymore obvious?
- tp to exe _instant_ when invis mortars hit
- sending all bears to an unscoutet exe
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tbljesus
| Posted: 2011-12-15 13:32:54
yeah its really suspicious in this game..maybe skype abuse maybe hack :/
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vikiSO
| Posted: 2011-12-15 13:53:33
alot of fake scouting too. gg no re. not the first time or last time he will be accused of mh.
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GlennGould
| Posted: 2011-12-15 14:26:18
Obviously a wrong replay category choice here, should rather be "This guy is a maphacker!"
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saftkanne
| Posted: 2011-12-15 16:12:32
so sad, hes a pretty good player at all. even without abuse/cheats :((
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itsRaining-
| Posted: 2011-12-15 16:13:55
Yeah. TPd faster than he could see whats even attacking the expo, bear ''scout''/random hiding place was fun too. I know you wanna have a dust vs humans if invis, but I do like how he just went to buy it when invis morts).
On a sidenote, I like how contempt threw this game away.
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Medivh
| Posted: 2011-12-15 18:17:21
For real how this guy is considered a progamer... It is just awful, it is quite obvious he cheats. Everything happening so wierd. Even when Tree of Life finish and it is too far from mine, Oberservers ping on it and imediatly he moves the tree on the right spot. wtf...
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Grotty
| Posted: 2011-12-15 19:06:18
gotta agree with most of you,quite weird moves,but i doubt he ll use anything above in such games...
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BlaiZ
| Posted: 2011-12-15 19:52:03
2 monitors and watch stream, what a shit"progaymer"
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BOOSTING
| Posted: 2011-12-16 02:04:04
6th sense :D
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-16 02:12:50
hm ..
sonik saw the sb's first going in his base, so he might have think there are mortars (he knew contempt has sorcs + mortars) invisible, cause why sb's without heroes/ohter units should go into his main ?? so maybe he thought : let's check the exe and he just saw that mortars got visible and he tp'ed instantly (might have been good intuition + luck)
furthermore it was pretty obvious that contempt had a 2nd exe, for me that's more a "clever" move than something else .. well the thing why i defend him is : why the hell should he cheat vs contempt when he faced way more better players without hack ?? but who knows ..
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nEPassion
| Posted: 2011-12-16 04:22:37
agreed.
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GlennGould
| Posted: 2011-12-16 04:54:30
"when he faced way more better players without hack ??" unless you read Sonik mind, you have no clue of what you're talking about.
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-16 05:26:59
well you should read better what i've written : 1st i didn't say if sonic hacks or not, i just showed an explanation which might be possible why he tp'ed that fast
2nd he played offline tournament's too where he obviously couldn't hack/abuse in any kind of way, and there he played pretty good too, so i think my question why he would hack/abuse vs contempt in a "not important tournament" is at the right place
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MalaVida
| Posted: 2011-12-16 05:35:54
There are a lot of games that can be explained with good intuition + luck, but seriously I am getting tired of watching sonik's lucky replays.
"Good luck" seems to work always in the favour of sonik.
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GlennGould
| Posted: 2011-12-16 05:51:39
4 things are clear :
1/ maphack is nowadays impossible to prove and can have various forms
2/ there's no smoke without fire
3/ a lot of suspicions and rumors are running on Sonik for a long time
4/ strange moves replays involving Sonik are regularly uploaded here
Up to you to make your own opinion out of that.
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-16 06:02:59
yeah i agree with you about the 4 things, but 1 other thing is clear : it's better NOT to accuse/judge an innocent player that it is to let a hacker unaccused .. and yes if it's well used it's not really possible to prove it, but that doesn't mean suspicious people are really guilty !
(btw if he checked the "items" of contempt, he knew that he crept the red spot)
however, how i said i don't know if he hacks or not, but my point is that this replays doesn't prove anything caus there are enough "valuable explanations"
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BlaiZ
| Posted: 2011-12-16 06:23:35
Needless mh, warcraft 2 installed and have a running stream (waaaghtv in this case), we all know to mount 2 monitors on the same pc, things are already many accusations esque to Sonik, I thought it was a legal play, but the latter seeing bo3 vs Contempt and that juice against human Zotac Asian .. (JN or Yumiko not remember) I start to think that if you play with advantage, as can be seen streaming, skype .. not necessarily a conventional mh
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-16 06:45:43
come on , 2 monitors .. what are you talking about ?? it's a game, not a james bond scene ... @ zotac's action i think that sonik was just "provocating" haters, nothing more.. how i said he played offline events too and therefor he couldn't hack (and he didn't play worse than elsewhere)
however, if you think he hacks, you may ask him (make an interview with him, let's see what he says about that) haters gonna hate, and that always made the wc3 scene becoming worse and smaller until now where only 1-2 chinese events saves it
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GlennGould
| Posted: 2011-12-16 06:50:55
U make your point, i make mine and its fine, but please don't say insanity like "if you think he hacks, you may ask him (make an interview with him, let's see what he says about that)" ofc he'll say he's a hacker...lmao, seriously.
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M0n0chr0mat1C
| Posted: 2011-12-16 06:57:55
Agree: two monitors are too futuristic to be true.
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NaturalHigh
| Posted: 2011-12-16 08:53:40
Tell me an offline tournament he took part in.
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-17 06:24:25
WCG 07 for example
http://www.wcg.com/renew/history/wcg2007/wcg2007_pl
ayers.asp
come
on zoz, i know what i'm talking about : )
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NaturalHigh
| Posted: 2011-12-17 09:53:57
1 tour 4 years ago when he was still shit
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-17 11:12:59
well you asked for an offline tour
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Chainer
| Posted: 2011-12-17 11:29:59
Actually I thought alot of the rumours about him were exactly because every offline tour he gets utterly raped? qualifers and such.
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RIVER
| Posted: 2011-12-16 07:05:57
rofl.... its not captain obv if contempt has no breaker and only workshops and some sorcs.. + items from that creepspot where the "not detectable exe" was ... seriously.. just annyoing this hacker shit crys.. go and watch subhomo tv or stm else if u cant live without any sensational stuff -.-
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AnnormalRyan
| Posted: 2011-12-16 08:26:50
Yes, but contempt has had that Item for like 10-15 Mins and Sonik saw it twice when he jacked him at other spots. He could have had the expand for 10 Mins but sonik never checked, just when the expand was finished he sent bears there.
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NaturalHigh
| Posted: 2011-12-16 08:55:37
Kinda easy to check, if sonik clicked on any of his heroes during the creepjacks there would be red circles on them.
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RIVER
| Posted: 2011-12-16 09:35:04
yea cuz there were better choices in game thank running instant to the creeped mine.. and cancel the "exe" he waited and fought.. that wasnt a bad decission.. i mean if u re an ud playin vs a human u wont do 1000 suply ghuls at t1 for canceling humans exe.. u just wait creep and go for dessi or exe urself.. dont get that point about "he didnt scout his exe or he didnt attack it when contempt just creeped it ..."
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Chainer
| Posted: 2011-12-17 11:31:29
zoz modern map hacks supress red circles -_-. Also i think most people accuse him of skyping not actual mh.
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ToLDK
| Posted: 2011-12-17 13:32:59
Its pretty much likely he was watching stream from another computer, explain everything, including the absence of red cicles...
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meji
| Posted: 2011-12-16 09:04:08
C H E A T E R
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Robert-fn
| Posted: 2011-12-16 10:11:20
haters gonna hate .. till u got no evidence u shall stop insulting him, maybe he cheats, maybe not, he s good that s a fact
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MadmaN
| Posted: 2011-12-16 11:27:11
LETS BURN THAT WITCH !!! kind of stuff here ... sad.
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Nuckad
| Posted: 2011-12-16 15:22:11
guys do not try to defend sonik, it is obvious that he used or mh or skype. I just know that if he didnt use it, he wouldnt win.
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score88
| Posted: 2011-12-16 15:24:16
Did u ever watched sonik his streams? where he beated sky and other pros.... and there wasnt skype or maphack. he explained in some games his actions why he scout the exp right now and some other things. sry for bad english^^
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Nuckad
| Posted: 2011-12-16 16:02:15
Everyone can explains after the game. How the f*ck u want to tp to the expo before first hit?
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-17 06:15:43
read my comment above and you will get your answer
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Nuckad
| Posted: 2011-12-17 06:27:36
I already did it before my comment. You just cant do it. He used tp at the same time as he saw sbs. U have to be bot or something if u want to do it without hack. Its impossible.
Also u said that he saw items. Well he already scouted the creep after the human creeped it. Isnt it strange, that u send bears to not scouted expo while u are fighting, just before the tower up this expo?
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Nuckad
| Posted: 2011-12-17 06:31:20
And sorry i forgot, + finding the places where human is, isnt weird? There's too much hack-situations, u can't explain it. I understand one or two explains. But u cant explain all game. Anyway there's more replays where u cant explain him. I wont link u because its 50% of replays/
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drspeo
| Posted: 2011-12-17 08:09:59
some situations are rly strange but i think with the exe he just saw some breaker wondering where the rest ist so take a look at the exe and when he saw it he just needs to hotkey someting and tp.. i mean its al theorie we cant proof any hack here so we should calm down a bit
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AYBAB2Trolls
| Posted: 2011-12-17 08:40:05
Thats why they are pros and you are noobs.
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RIVER
| Posted: 2011-12-17 09:56:10
hm.. invisible mortas ( they re not in base or somewhere else) .. so where can invis. mortas attack first? .. hm.. so hard to get that.. mb NELFS EXE? .. he just scrolld up to his exe and saw the mortas appearing there so he tp´d.. is this that hard to get in brain`? i also had some of this actions.. omg i am a hacker + skypeabuser or whatever u say.. -.-"
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Nuckad
| Posted: 2011-12-17 10:28:45
Bla bla bla u're trying to explain one of thousands actions. Every f*cking action will u analysis which looks like hack?
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4AM
| Posted: 2011-12-17 11:39:53
Imo the best move is around 21:20, when mortars are invisible going to his EXP, and he takes DH out of creeping and goes buy dust:D
Then, he doesnt double click TP, he choses where to land. and coincidence over a mortar:D
AND I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE TO SEND 10 HP BEARS ALMOST DYING, TO A HUMAN EXPANSION '''''POSSIBILITY'' SINCE HUMANS ALWAYS, ALWAYS EXPAND WITH TOWERS, BEARS WOULD ALL DIE.
The rest of your claims, are doubtful, but this 2, are amazing.
Defend him, its undefendable.
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4AM
| Posted: 2011-12-17 11:54:54
Keep in mind, he never bought dust the WHOLE GAME, only that time, AND SBS weren't visible YET!
Keep in mind ALSO: He was fighting with his bears, he didnt just controled them to the mine, and checked them, he JUST A CLICKED and didnt even checked them ONCE!
An experienced player doesnt send 6 almost dead bears to a possible expand which is always guarded by towers, without even checking them once, in a middle of a fight.
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Nuckad
| Posted: 2011-12-17 16:36:31
+1
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ToLDK
| Posted: 2011-12-17 13:30:38
ahahah ok... sonik, you should at least try to disguise.
this one is probably to most "suspicious" replay from Sonik so far, and this really changed the game's result and my mind about this subject, now I think Sonik hacks... And it seems pretty likely what observers said: watching stream from another computer or w/e.
I'd say its a proof, "suspicious" is for those who still believe that Sonik's playstyle is legit.
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Zaphod1
| Posted: 2011-12-17 15:17:35
you guys better get a clue and watch that game again.
sonic clearly teleports around 1 second !!! A F T E R !!! the first mortar hit and not before as claimed by many here.
its just wrong. watch the game in slow speed and find out yourself. it happens somewhere around the 20minute mark afair.
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AcuVue
| Posted: 2011-12-17 15:58:48
btw watch game 2 : he misses 2 times the AM so that it can't be just made on purpose and he nearly lost his dh to the base cause he didn't scout it ..
i'm pretty sure he doesn't hack
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4AM
| Posted: 2011-12-17 16:14:41
im SURE he doesn't hack.
it is skype, or the stream.
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ToLDK
| Posted: 2011-12-17 16:30:30
when i say hack I mean play in an unfair way.
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Robert-fn
| Posted: 2011-12-17 17:49:22
i see many jealous troll here, enjoy.
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