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ua.pornosonik(NE)-vs-CoNteMpT(HMN)

Name:Twisted Meadows (Twisted)
Max players:4
Team 1
ua.pornosonik (305 apm)

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CoNteMpT (165 apm)

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Category:Custom game
Realm:LAN/Unknown
Map:Twisted Meadows
Players:2
Match length:00:29:12
Version:v1.26 TFT
Submitter:tbljesus
Upload date:2011-12-15 13:22:37
Downloads:460
Tournament:F4G
Filesize:261 KB
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tbljesus
tbljesus has 27720 points
tbljesus has 27720 points


Posted: 2011-12-15 13:22:56

cool game..but a bit onesided towards the end

saftkanne
saftkanne has 2420 points

Posted: 2011-12-15 13:28:10

can cheating from sonik be anymore obvious?

- tp to exe _instant_ when invis mortars hit
- sending all bears to an unscoutet exe
- ...

tbljesus
tbljesus has 27720 points
tbljesus has 27720 points


Posted: 2011-12-15 13:32:54

yeah its really suspicious in this game..maybe skype abuse maybe hack :/

vikiSO
vikiSO has 1010 points

Posted: 2011-12-15 13:53:33

alot of fake scouting too. gg no re. not the first time or last time he will be accused of mh.

GlennGould
GlennGould has 1790 points

Posted: 2011-12-15 14:26:18

Obviously a wrong replay category choice here, should rather be "This guy is a maphacker!"

saftkanne
saftkanne has 2420 points

Posted: 2011-12-15 16:12:32

so sad, hes a pretty good player at all. even without abuse/cheats :((

itsRaining-
itsRaining- has 11424 points
itsRaining- has 11424 points


Posted: 2011-12-15 16:13:55

Yeah. TPd faster than he could see whats even attacking the expo, bear ''scout''/random hiding place was fun too. I know you wanna have a dust vs humans if invis, but I do like how he just went to buy it when invis morts).

On a sidenote, I like how contempt threw this game away.

Medivh
Medivh has 35400 points
Medivh has 35400 points


Posted: 2011-12-15 18:17:21

For real how this guy is considered a progamer... It is just awful, it is quite obvious he cheats. Everything happening so wierd. Even when Tree of Life finish and it is too far from mine, Oberservers ping on it and imediatly he moves the tree on the right spot. wtf...

Grotty
Grotty has 3885 points

Posted: 2011-12-15 19:06:18

gotta agree with most of you,quite weird moves,but i doubt he ll use anything above in such games...

BlaiZ
BlaiZ has 7745 points

Posted: 2011-12-15 19:52:03

2 monitors and watch stream, what a shit"progaymer"

BOOSTING
BOOSTING has 3265 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 02:04:04

6th sense :D

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 02:12:50

hm ..

sonik saw the sb's first going in his base, so he might have think there are mortars (he knew contempt has sorcs + mortars) invisible, cause why sb's without heroes/ohter units should go into his main ?? so maybe he thought : let's check the exe and he just saw that mortars got visible and he tp'ed instantly (might have been good intuition + luck)

furthermore it was pretty obvious that contempt had a 2nd exe, for me that's more a "clever" move than something else .. well the thing why i defend him is : why the hell should he cheat vs contempt when he faced way more better players without hack ?? but who knows ..

nEPassion
nEPassion has 6195 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 04:22:37

agreed.

GlennGould
GlennGould has 1790 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 04:54:30

"when he faced way more better players without hack ??" unless you read Sonik mind, you have no clue of what you're talking about.

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 05:26:59

well you should read better what i've written : 1st i didn't say if sonic hacks or not, i just showed an explanation which might be possible why he tp'ed that fast
2nd he played offline tournament's too where he obviously couldn't hack/abuse in any kind of way, and there he played pretty good too, so i think my question why he would hack/abuse vs contempt in a "not important tournament" is at the right place

MalaVida
MalaVida has 8110 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 05:35:54

There are a lot of games that can be explained with good intuition + luck, but seriously I am getting tired of watching sonik's lucky replays.

"Good luck" seems to work always in the favour of sonik.

GlennGould
GlennGould has 1790 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 05:51:39

4 things are clear :

1/ maphack is nowadays impossible to prove and can have various forms
2/ there's no smoke without fire
3/ a lot of suspicions and rumors are running on Sonik for a long time
4/ strange moves replays involving Sonik are regularly uploaded here

Up to you to make your own opinion out of that.

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 06:02:59

yeah i agree with you about the 4 things, but 1 other thing is clear : it's better NOT to accuse/judge an innocent player that it is to let a hacker unaccused .. and yes if it's well used it's not really possible to prove it, but that doesn't mean suspicious people are really guilty !

(btw if he checked the "items" of contempt, he knew that he crept the red spot)

however, how i said i don't know if he hacks or not, but my point is that this replays doesn't prove anything caus there are enough "valuable explanations"

BlaiZ
BlaiZ has 7745 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 06:23:35

Needless mh, warcraft 2 installed and have a running stream (waaaghtv in this case), we all know to mount 2 monitors on the same pc, things are already many accusations esque to Sonik, I thought it was a legal play, but the latter seeing bo3 vs Contempt and that juice against human Zotac Asian .. (JN or Yumiko not remember) I start to think that if you play with advantage, as can be seen streaming, skype .. not necessarily a conventional mh

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 06:45:43

come on , 2 monitors .. what are you talking about ?? it's a game, not a james bond scene ... @ zotac's action i think that sonik was just "provocating" haters, nothing more.. how i said he played offline events too and therefor he couldn't hack (and he didn't play worse than elsewhere)
however, if you think he hacks, you may ask him (make an interview with him, let's see what he says about that) haters gonna hate, and that always made the wc3 scene becoming worse and smaller until now where only 1-2 chinese events saves it

GlennGould
GlennGould has 1790 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 06:50:55

U make your point, i make mine and its fine, but please don't say insanity like "if you think he hacks, you may ask him (make an interview with him, let's see what he says about that)" ofc he'll say he's a hacker...lmao, seriously.

M0n0chr0mat1C
M0n0chr0mat1C has 1200 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 06:57:55

Agree: two monitors are too futuristic to be true.

NaturalHigh
NaturalHigh has 4510 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 08:53:40

Tell me an offline tournament he took part in.

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 06:24:25

WCG 07 for example
http://www.wcg.com/renew/history/wcg2007/wcg2007_pl
ayers.asp
come
on zoz, i know what i'm talking about : )

NaturalHigh
NaturalHigh has 4510 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 09:53:57

1 tour 4 years ago when he was still shit

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 11:12:59

well you asked for an offline tour

Chainer
Chainer has 665 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 11:29:59

Actually I thought alot of the rumours about him were exactly because every offline tour he gets utterly raped? qualifers and such.

RIVER
RIVER has 4125 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 07:05:57

rofl.... its not captain obv if contempt has no breaker and only workshops and some sorcs.. + items from that creepspot where the "not detectable exe" was ... seriously.. just annyoing this hacker shit crys.. go and watch subhomo tv or stm else if u cant live without any sensational stuff -.-

AnnormalRyan
AnnormalRyan has 565 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 08:26:50

Yes, but contempt has had that Item for like 10-15 Mins and Sonik saw it twice when he jacked him at other spots. He could have had the expand for 10 Mins but sonik never checked, just when the expand was finished he sent bears there.

NaturalHigh
NaturalHigh has 4510 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 08:55:37

Kinda easy to check, if sonik clicked on any of his heroes during the creepjacks there would be red circles on them.

RIVER
RIVER has 4125 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 09:35:04

yea cuz there were better choices in game thank running instant to the creeped mine.. and cancel the "exe" he waited and fought.. that wasnt a bad decission.. i mean if u re an ud playin vs a human u wont do 1000 suply ghuls at t1 for canceling humans exe.. u just wait creep and go for dessi or exe urself.. dont get that point about "he didnt scout his exe or he didnt attack it when contempt just creeped it ..."

Chainer
Chainer has 665 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 11:31:29

zoz modern map hacks supress red circles -_-. Also i think most people accuse him of skyping not actual mh.

ToLDK
ToLDK has 6610 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 13:32:59

Its pretty much likely he was watching stream from another computer, explain everything, including the absence of red cicles...

meji
meji has 285 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 09:04:08

C H E A T E R

Robert-fn
Robert-fn has 885 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 10:11:20

haters gonna hate .. till u got no evidence u shall stop insulting him, maybe he cheats, maybe not, he s good that s a fact

MadmaN
MadmaN has 1990 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 11:27:11

LETS BURN THAT WITCH !!! kind of stuff here ... sad.

Nuckad
Nuckad has 11320 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 15:22:11

guys do not try to defend sonik, it is obvious that he used or mh or skype. I just know that if he didnt use it, he wouldnt win.

score88
score88 has 440 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 15:24:16

Did u ever watched sonik his streams? where he beated sky and other pros.... and there wasnt skype or maphack. he explained in some games his actions why he scout the exp right now and some other things. sry for bad english^^

Nuckad
Nuckad has 11320 points

Posted: 2011-12-16 16:02:15

Everyone can explains after the game. How the f*ck u want to tp to the expo before first hit?

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 06:15:43

read my comment above and you will get your answer

Nuckad
Nuckad has 11320 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 06:27:36

I already did it before my comment. You just cant do it. He used tp at the same time as he saw sbs. U have to be bot or something if u want to do it without hack. Its impossible.
Also u said that he saw items. Well he already scouted the creep after the human creeped it. Isnt it strange, that u send bears to not scouted expo while u are fighting, just before the tower up this expo?

Nuckad
Nuckad has 11320 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 06:31:20

And sorry i forgot, + finding the places where human is, isnt weird? There's too much hack-situations, u can't explain it. I understand one or two explains. But u cant explain all game. Anyway there's more replays where u cant explain him. I wont link u because its 50% of replays/

drspeo
drspeo has 2430 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 08:09:59

some situations are rly strange but i think with the exe he just saw some breaker wondering where the rest ist so take a look at the exe and when he saw it he just needs to hotkey someting and tp.. i mean its al theorie we cant proof any hack here so we should calm down a bit

AYBAB2Trolls
AYBAB2Trolls has 4865 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 08:40:05

Thats why they are pros and you are noobs.

RIVER
RIVER has 4125 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 09:56:10

hm.. invisible mortas ( they re not in base or somewhere else) .. so where can invis. mortas attack first? .. hm.. so hard to get that.. mb NELFS EXE? .. he just scrolld up to his exe and saw the mortas appearing there so he tp´d.. is this that hard to get in brain`? i also had some of this actions.. omg i am a hacker + skypeabuser or whatever u say.. -.-"

Nuckad
Nuckad has 11320 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 10:28:45

Bla bla bla u're trying to explain one of thousands actions. Every f*cking action will u analysis which looks like hack?

4AM
4AM has 1170 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 11:39:53

Imo the best move is around 21:20, when mortars are invisible going to his EXP, and he takes DH out of creeping and goes buy dust:D

Then, he doesnt double click TP, he choses where to land. and coincidence over a mortar:D

AND I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE TO SEND 10 HP BEARS ALMOST DYING, TO A HUMAN EXPANSION '''''POSSIBILITY'' SINCE HUMANS ALWAYS, ALWAYS EXPAND WITH TOWERS, BEARS WOULD ALL DIE.

The rest of your claims, are doubtful, but this 2, are amazing.
Defend him, its undefendable.

4AM
4AM has 1170 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 11:54:54

Keep in mind, he never bought dust the WHOLE GAME, only that time, AND SBS weren't visible YET!

Keep in mind ALSO: He was fighting with his bears, he didnt just controled them to the mine, and checked them, he JUST A CLICKED and didnt even checked them ONCE!

An experienced player doesnt send 6 almost dead bears to a possible expand which is always guarded by towers, without even checking them once, in a middle of a fight.

Nuckad
Nuckad has 11320 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 16:36:31

+1

ToLDK
ToLDK has 6610 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 13:30:38

ahahah ok... sonik, you should at least try to disguise.
this one is probably to most "suspicious" replay from Sonik so far, and this really changed the game's result and my mind about this subject, now I think Sonik hacks... And it seems pretty likely what observers said: watching stream from another computer or w/e.
I'd say its a proof, "suspicious" is for those who still believe that Sonik's playstyle is legit.

Zaphod1
Zaphod1 has 545 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 15:17:35

you guys better get a clue and watch that game again.
sonic clearly teleports around 1 second !!! A F T E R !!! the first mortar hit and not before as claimed by many here.
its just wrong. watch the game in slow speed and find out yourself. it happens somewhere around the 20minute mark afair.

AcuVue
AcuVue has 4115 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 15:58:48

btw watch game 2 : he misses 2 times the AM so that it can't be just made on purpose and he nearly lost his dh to the base cause he didn't scout it ..

i'm pretty sure he doesn't hack

4AM
4AM has 1170 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 16:14:41

im SURE he doesn't hack.
it is skype, or the stream.

ToLDK
ToLDK has 6610 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 16:30:30

when i say hack I mean play in an unfair way.

Robert-fn
Robert-fn has 885 points

Posted: 2011-12-17 17:49:22

i see many jealous troll here, enjoy.



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